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August 21st, 2001


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09:55 am - Yaoi/Yuri and the Straight Guy
[Slight clarification/edit: This isn't meant to be about whether a person reads yaoi/yuri. its about how a person who does is percieved. I do read some yaoi/yuri though the selection is not much and don't even mention the goshdamn pilots to me. heh]

Heh

was wandering around the web today and i had a realization.

Well sorta more like an observation.

Now this deals with stereo types mind you.


If someone mentions readers of yaoi to me. Two groups spring to mind.


1. Straight females.
2. Gay men.
(Bi's can go anyway. I'm not dealing with being pc about choices.)


Gay men make sense since that is what the story is generally focusing on.

I've heard the facination of straight females with yaoi explained as 2 factors

1. Twice the number of generally attractive men.
2. No female partner to be jealous of.

I'm not so sure which is why it still puzzles me.


But here's where things make even less sense.


Yuri. The lesbian to Yaoi's ummm gay?

Both of theese genre's now have a convention specifically devoted to them

Yaoi - Yaoi-Con

Yuri - AniLesboCon

Whien i came accross the AniLesboCOn site they were selling shirts with the following quote

"For real women who like their women ... animated"

Now while yes it is only a t-shirt.

I've met with some fans of the more fanatical nature before

BTW No one on my friends list is what i consider fanatical which generally requires you to be forcing beliefs on another.



I'm just curious as what the demographics of the two conventions will be.

I'm sure Yaoi-con will be a fairly even mix between the two groups since its in San Diego and there is supposidly a large amount of gay communities in cali.

Here's the statistic i'd be interested in.

Ignore everyone who lives say 50-100 miles from the con.

look at the ratio of females to males in the remaining. I'd be willing to say it would be something like 2 or 3 women for each man.


However I doubt it would be that escewed? for AniLesboCon.

Eliminate the 100 miles then compare. How many men would be there? I severly doubt that it would be 2-3 men for woman.



I'm just rambling now probably cause i slept on a couch last night.


But ask yourself theese questions.

What pre-conceptions would you have when....

You see a man walk into Yaoi-con?

A woman walk into Yaoi-con?

A man walk into AniLesbocon?

A woman walk into AniLesbocon?


Everyone has pre-conceptions so i wouldn't buy "I don't judge books by covers".

I am open and free going person but i still have pre-conceptions. being open minded simply allows you to move PAST the pre-conceptions.

The only other thing would be to consider the climate inside the con.

Would a gay/straight man/woman feel as comfortable in the con as another of the 4 combinations given that they both enjoy Yaoi/Yuri?

This has been deep thoughts brought to you by sleep dep.
Current Mood: curiouscurious

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From:avagoyle
Date:December 14th, 2001 03:20 am (UTC)

from a huge yaoi fan

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i admit, i worship yaoi. i like it better than straight stuff. (which is kinda wierd, b/c i am a mostly straight female) the great majority of yaoi fans are female. i know several gay males who are into yaoi, but then tend to not like the great majority of it, because it is very different from usual gay stuff. i have seen gay porn from japan and it is typically not stuff that turns me on or i find very interesting. most gay stuff involves very masculine men while most yaoi involves bishounen.

yaoi has a /long/ history in japan. some of the earliest manga and anime are shounen ai/yaoi. censorship was pushed in japan not by hentai (as known by the typical definition, as male/female) but by female mangaka for shounen ai.

1. Straight females.
2. Gay men.
(Bi's can go anyway. I'm not dealing with being pc about choices.)

*but bi females make a great majority of female yaoi fandom. actually, the biggest amont from what i have seen

Gay men make sense since that is what the story is generally focusing on.

*actually, most gay men dont like yaoi. the guys involved are far too girly and as the situation is aimed more for females, they dont like it as much.

I've heard the facination of straight females with yaoi explained as 2 factors
1. Twice the number of generally attractive men.
2. No female partner to be jealous of.

*i like yaoi for a number of reasons. first of all, males in general are sexier to me. especially feminine ones. yaoi is full of guys that look and act like girls. another reason is that most female anime/manga characters annoy me. they are maryjane (in the case of fics), over sexed (huge boobs, tiny waist) or mindless. the exceptions to this are not enough for my tastes. also, it shows guys being emotional, sweet, doing things that guys often dont do. i like my guys to be feminine. the guy i am now in love with is (mostly) straight, but he shaves, wears dresses and is more a female than i am.

look at the ratio of females to males in the remaining. I'd be willing to say it would be something like 2 or 3 women for each man.

*oh, far more females than that. it was more like 5 women for each man XD ::is on alot of yaoi mls::

You see a man walk into Yaoi-con?

*think that he is gay, bi-curious, bi, a /huge/ anime fan of anykind, or was dragged by a female XD

A woman walk into Yaoi-con?

*someone i know XD actually, most yaoi fans are older than the general anime population. a great majority (of the ones that run the major lists and attend the cons) are professional women

A man walk into AniLesbocon?

*an anime fan. maybe bi, maybe straight, maybe gay who knows

A woman walk into AniLesbocon?

*probably a yaoi fan

Would a gay/straight man/woman feel as comfortable in the con as another of the 4 combinations given that they both enjoy Yaoi/Yuri?

*i am confused as to what you mean by this question.
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From:godai
Date:December 14th, 2001 06:35 am (UTC)

Re: from a huge yaoi fan

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It mostly comes down to personal taste.

oh as to the confusing question written out...

gay man
straight man
gay woman
straight woman

would any of theese feel more or less comfortable at the con given that they all enjoy yaoi or yuri.

it was pretty much just a rhetorical question recapping the entire post. i was too lazy to type it out.

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